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Reddit source.

This image demonstrates that 'expert' drinkers tend to rate stronger tasting beers higher.

I'm inclined to think that the same is going to happen here, with lagers being dismissed.

Do you think this is likely to be a problem for this SE?

  • This site isn't about Rating beers. It's about asking and answering questions about beer. I'm not sure what the concern is here.
    – wax eagle
    Jan 22, 2014 at 11:03
  • Eeeeh, I'm not sure that's what that chart really shows - at least in terms of causation. Most of the top rated beers come from very small breweries with limited resources. Producing lagers requires resources that a lot of small breweries just aren't interested in investing in. Put another way: it just so happens that all the interesting stuff is happening in a particular market segment these days, but trends shift. Jan 22, 2014 at 13:26
  • I personally am a fan of high gravity porters. I also dislike hoppy beers. I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised one day. However, I will gladly try any beer you set in front of me. I feel this keeps me well versed in beer and allows me to talk about beer more completely. Hopefully our community will adopt the same attitudes and rather than snubbing a weaker ale/lager, discuss and learn from one another.
    – BryceH
    Jan 22, 2014 at 15:15
  • Is this chart saying there's at most a 0.5 star, or 10% difference between expert ratings and novice ratings? That doesn't seem so bad. Jan 22, 2014 at 18:16
  • @brian nearly one full star actually, as the graph goes from -.5 to .5, with points plotted as low as -.5 and as high as +.4. Jan 22, 2014 at 21:26
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    @LessPop_MoreFizz That's a delta for individual beers. It's showing that an expert may rate Bud Light 0.2 stars lower or Firestone 0.4 stars higher, but on average no one beer is being rated with a difference more than 0.5. Jan 22, 2014 at 21:35
  • DERP. I r bad at statistics and graphs and math and stuff. STAY IN SKOOL KIDS. I DIDNT AND THIS IS WHERE IT GOT ME. Jan 22, 2014 at 21:36
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    "Reddit source", eh? Reddit has a URL pointing into BusinessInsider's image hosting, and a bit of sleuthing traces us to the original paper, From Amateurs to Connoisseurs: Modeling the Evolution of User Expertise through Online Reviews, from some Stanford computer scientists. I am a big fan of original sources. Jan 23, 2014 at 14:10
  • @Grohlier Remember, we're trying to make beer more classy! I think you might need to get rid of me then. Jan 24, 2014 at 16:49
  • @LessPop_MoreFizz no need for the taunting.
    – BryceH
    Jan 24, 2014 at 17:12
  • @grohlier you do realize I'm mocking myself, right? Jan 24, 2014 at 17:41
  • @LessPop_MoreFizz it seemed like it was directed at the user asking the question the way I read it. Written communication does not always come across as intended. Sorry.
    – BryceH
    Jan 24, 2014 at 17:45
  • Nope. I was acknowledging that I was wrong. Jan 24, 2014 at 18:08

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This is not a problem. And your graph has nothing to do with snobbery.

There are indeed some excellent lager beers out there. However, it is also among the lagers that you find plenty of low-quality beers. And these beers are sold globally. Hence they are widely known and also well known to novices.

The quality IS higher among the strong beers and it is among the strong ones that you find the world's best beers. That's a fact and your graph shows exactly that. And these strong high quality beers are not necessarily known to novices.

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